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rayen_6827
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 Posted: 12/09/2017 17:19 Post subject: Problem with time sync |
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In multi project with 4 AS and 2server(Red)
2cpu of 4CPUs time recive from server's
What 3other no recive time
The configure all cpu's and cp443-1is the same(slave and from LAN)
The link picture below show configuration
https://ibb.co/k3sJ9F
https://ibb.co/carH3a
https://ibb.co/fJd0pF
https://ibb.co/excMwv
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| Posted: 12/09/2017 17:45 Post subject: Re: Problem with time sync |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | In multi project with 5 AS and 2server(Red)
2cpu of 5cpu time recive from server's
What 3other no recive time
The configure all cpu's and cp443-1is the same(slave and from LAN)
The link picture below show configuration
https://ibb.co/k3sJ9F
https://ibb.co/carH3a
https://ibb.co/fJd0pF
https://ibb.co/excMwv |
insufficient data |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 12/09/2017 19:25 Post subject: |
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Which data is insufficient???
Please More explanation and help me |
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dll
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| Posted: 12/09/2017 21:06 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | Which data is insufficient???
Please More explanation and help me |
1. First of all I do not see any Server on your MProject. Well supposed the picture is different.
2.In the OS WinCC Explorer you have a Time Synchronization . There are all the data about how do you synchronize with PLCs the OS .
Check Time Synchronization Trace and tell what you see??
Read Time Synchronization on PCS7 - Configuration in a work group without central time master (Siclock)
https://cache.industry.siemens.com/dl/files/544/109746544/att_923935/v1/ps7tsy_b_en-US.pdf |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 13/09/2017 08:48 Post subject: |
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I send the picture of configuration
https://ibb.co/k3sJ9F (component view of project)
https://ibb.co/carH3a (All cpu's)
https://ibb.co/fJd0pF (All cp 443-1)
https://ibb.co/excMwv (time syncron Server's)
I configured the time synchronize without central time master but there is problem |
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| Posted: 13/09/2017 16:28 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | I send the picture of configuration
https://ibb.co/k3sJ9F (component view of project)
https://ibb.co/carH3a (All cpu's)
https://ibb.co/fJd0pF (All cp 443-1)
https://ibb.co/excMwv (time syncron Server's)
I configured the time synchronize without central time master but there is problem |
Well you do not understand or what?
As long as you do not check what is problem with Time Synchronization Trace you put some pictures for nothing which has not any information  |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 13/09/2017 21:55 Post subject: |
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Thanks for you for reply me
I send the information in the first post
We have 4 As(417-5h*414-5h*412-5h) and 5client(client ok and time synchronize with servers and no problem)
Two of the CPUs is synchronize with servers and are OK
And two of the CPUs is not synchronize with servers(not recive time from server pc)
All settings are made according to Siemens manual
I hope tell you my question 😉
Thanks
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 10:23 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | Thanks for you for reply me
I send the information in the first post
We have 5 As(417-5h*414-5h*412-5h) and 5client(client ok and time synchronize with servers and no problem)
Two of the CPUs is synchronize with servers and are OK
And three of the CPUs is not synchronize with servers(not recive time from server pc)
All settings are made according to Siemens manual
I hope tell you my question 😉
Thanks |
Well ...it's a little bit difficult to tell you a solution as long as you keep on this way...
Please tell me..
1. This system worked well before and this problem appears on functioning? Or you are in commissionning phase?
2. Put a Netpro picture of the two redundancy servers with PLCs and indicate which of the PLCs do not syncronize.
3. The time synchronization on the redundant System Bus is only possible as from CP443-1EX11 Firmware Version 2.3.
Check what firmware do you have on that CPs that do not work.
4. What do you see on WinCC\Diagnose in the TMsynch logfile.
5. What version of PCS7 do you use?
A better description on time syncronization on
https://cache.industry.siemens.com/dl/files/552/13769552/att_105540/v1/pcs7_clocksync_e.pdf |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 12:30 Post subject: |
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Hi
This problem has existed already and still is now
I send picture from netpro and CPUs are not sync time (S7-400 core area &
S7-400 MHU&WTP
https://ibb.co/hrUJDk (Netpro)
Order code of CP:
S7-400 core area>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0 ==time Not sync
S7-400 MHU&WTP>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0. ==time not sync
S7-400 BRQ>>443-1ex20-0xe0 /firmware:2.1 =====time sync. Is Ok
S7-400 H STACKER>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0 ====time sync is ok
I read full time synchronization Manual of pcs7 and use way time synchronization without central time master
Pcs7 v8.0 use |
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 20:05 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | Hi
This problem has existed already and still is now
I send picture from netpro and CPUs are not sync time (S7-400 core area &
S7-400 MHU&WTP
https://ibb.co/hrUJDk (Netpro)
Order code of CP:
S7-400 core area>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0 ==time Not sync
S7-400 MHU&WTP>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0. ==time not sync
S7-400 BRQ>>443-1ex20-0xe0 /firmware:2.1 =====time sync. Is Ok
S7-400 H STACKER>>443-1ex30-0xe0 /firmware:3.0 ====time sync is ok
I read full time synchronization Manual of pcs7 and use way time synchronization without central time master
Pcs7 v8.0 use |
Did you try to update with SP2? |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 20:15 Post subject: |
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No I don't try
My pcs7 is v8.0 |
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 20:26 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | No I don't try
My pcs7 is v8.0 |
PCS7 V8.0 has problems because they update with updat1 then SP1 then SP2 in a very short time.
That means it could have problems because they made these updates on very short time.
Install 8.0SP2 because no need supplementary license and eventually apply the latest updates to wincc pending. |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 14/09/2017 20:35 Post subject: |
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Thanks for help me
If problem from pcs7 version what time two Plc is syncing with server pc
Anyway if I update pcs7 I should update ES AND SERVER AND CLINET. SOFTWARE UPDATE |
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dll
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| Posted: 15/09/2017 09:37 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | Thanks for help me
If problem from pcs7 version what time two Plc is syncing with server pc
Anyway if I update pcs7 I should update ES AND SERVER AND CLINET. SOFTWARE UPDATE |
entron made a good observation. Indeed there was problem with v8.0 but
this idea with update could be an idea if all the others attempt fails.
Be prepared for this because I've had a similar problem few years ago...
At least made updates for WinCC on OS not for the entire system.
Back to the picture...
You have from these PLCs a redundant connection for each of them.
When made synchronization only one CP must be parametherized for synchronicity.
Is that true or you've made parametherization for both CP?
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 15/09/2017 10:25 Post subject: |
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I think in ALL AS two CPs parameterized for synchronicity
I will check CPs parameters and tell you |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 15/09/2017 20:02 Post subject: |
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I send picture for example one CPU
You thought that there were two cp in each rack
No, our system is a H-system, but there is One CP each rack
How I can one CP parametherized ??
https://ibb.co/c8CGJk (CP configure) |
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| Posted: 18/09/2017 21:51 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | I send picture for example one CPU
You thought that there were two cp in each rack
No, our system is a H-system, but there is One CP each rack
How I can one CP parametherized ??
https://ibb.co/c8CGJk (CP configure) |
There are a lot of settings which can make your system mis-communicating.
From your pictures I do not understand too much....
If your system is secret you can put a link on my PM but also you can edit some kind of a image like this if you have problems.
Please read some documentation about
[URL=https://userscloud.com/d8fwg07dzxte]DK_Time_Synchronisation.pdf - 1.5 MB[/URL]
[URL=https://userscloud.com/5ifnmhfdelrj]guide_s7_h_appl_e.pdf - 1.5 MB[/URL]
[URL=https://userscloud.com/1jnpcoffj7ox]ps7red_b_en-US.pdf - 2.7 MB[/URL]
[URL=https://userscloud.com/o03lw6xdkprj]ps7tsy_b_en-US.pdf - 2.8 MB[/URL]
[URL=https://userscloud.com/2bm9y4aoebyf]Redun_e.pdf - 165 KB[/URL]
and read diagnostic from servers which should look like this..
[URL=https://userscloud.com/bhcby2vmix3u]WinCC_Sys_Server1.txt - 28 KB[/URL]
[URL=https://userscloud.com/ts63ijabc2bt]WinCC_Sys_Server2.txt - 42 KB[/URL]
The switches used are also very important ....
I am sorry... but without information I cant help you further... |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 30/09/2017 12:49 Post subject: |
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Two of the CPUs come with optical fiber from a distance and connected to scalance x112-2 And this CPUS time synchronize with servers
But two other CPUs come direct with cp443-1 connect to scalance x112-2
But this CPUs time not synchronize with servers |
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| Posted: 01/10/2017 17:26 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | Two of the CPUs come with optical fiber from a distance and connected to scalance x112-2 And this CPUS time synchronize with servers
But two other CPUs come direct with cp443-1 connect to scalance x112-2
But this CPUs time not synchronize with servers |
Please send in PM the Network Topology and the WinCC version and what updates do you apply. |
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| Posted: 09/10/2017 14:39 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | I think in ALL AS two CPs parameterized for synchronicity
I will check CPs parameters and tell you |
It seems inappropriate to use Scalance X108 in this configuration......
I'll check its capabilities.
Take your time and activates firstly only one CP1623 and then one by one to see what's happen.
A general rule on how to setup synchronization can find in this picture.
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| Posted: 09/10/2017 14:51 Post subject: How can I synchronize the clock in PCS7 V4.02/ V5.x without |
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How can I synchronize the clock in PCS7 V4.02/ V5.x without a time sender in the bus
https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/786498/how-can-i-synchronize-the-clock-in-pcs7-v4-02-v5-x-without-a-time-sender-in-the-bus
This is an old method but can be taken into account |
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rayen_6827
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| Posted: 09/10/2017 20:20 Post subject: |
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| dll wrote: | | rayen_6827 wrote: | I think in ALL AS two CPs parameterized for synchronicity
I will check CPs parameters and tell you |
It seems inappropriate to use Scalance X108 in this configuration......
I'll check its capabilities.
Take your time and activates firstly only one CP1623 and then one by one to see what's happen.
A general rule on how to setup synchronization can find in this picture.
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What inappropriate Scalance X108 in this configuration?Please explain more
In per server two cp1623 used ,if one cp fail; the other CP work?
The picture you put in the end post is not view |
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dll
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| Posted: 09/10/2017 21:03 Post subject: |
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| rayen_6827 wrote: | | dll wrote: | | rayen_6827 wrote: | I think in ALL AS two CPs parameterized for synchronicity
I will check CPs parameters and tell you |
It seems inappropriate to use Scalance X108 in this configuration......
I'll check its capabilities.
Take your time and activates firstly only one CP1623 and then one by one to see what's happen.
A general rule on how to setup synchronization can find in this picture.
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What inappropriate Scalance X108 in this configuration?Please explain more
In per server two cp1623 used ,if one cp fail; the other CP work?
The picture you put in the end post is not view |
I'm talking about these switches....
Yes normally should work..You should to make testing ..that's all ..after checking you can come back to autentic settings.
The picture from above post is a memento on how should be parameterized the CP in a PCS7 environment with redundant capabilities. |
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