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turbokinetic Junior 2

Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 23
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Posted: 10/08/2014 11:21 Post subject: Phoenix Atingere Quint-Power UPS, IFS USB data cable pinout.. |
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Hey all. This is semi-PLC related. It is closest to an inverter so I posted it here in this area.
Anyway - I am working on a panel with a small 24V UPS system. It is a Phoenix Contact Quint-UPS with IQ Technology.
This has internal configuration settings that are configured with the laptop software. This software is free from Phoenix, but I don't have the USB cable to use it.
The cable is part number IFS-USB-DATACABLE - 2320500
Here is an example of the UPS I have:
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?1dmy&urile=wcm%3apath%3a/usen/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/USV_with_IQ_technology_P-22-04-02-01/3bb431a3-aeda-44d4-9602-3bbf794c80b4
Thanks for any information you may have! I am working overseas and don't know where I could get this cable locally. I am willing to cut up a USB cable and make a temporary cable if I have to.
Sincerely,
David |
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palbub Junior

Joined: 19 Jul 2018 Posts: 2
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Posted: 19/07/2018 19:30 Post subject: |
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this is bugging me too...
as an industrial vendor, i don't see how phoenix contact is trying to establish a proprietary interface and not even publishing the pinout,
while selling the cables and memmory devices at premium prices.
my guess is that there are two interfaces on the port:
uart for serial communication,
i2c for the memory sticks (connecting an i2c eeprom = cheapest method).
i opened my QUINT-UPS/24/10 and did some tracing.
the port has:
gnd, vcc (+5 or +3,3 did not measure)
five data lines, these go DIRECTLY to the microcontroller, no protection of any kind, somewhat strange for an industrial device.
rest seems N/C
three of the data-lines have pull-up resistors, i guess those are the inputs.
the controller is an MSP430 variant, i haven't worked with those before.
maybe somebody familiar with MSP420 can guess the pinout from the connections.
otherwise one would need to examine an autentic cable and memory-stick,
but i'm not paying 40eur for either.
| Code: | looking at socket from top
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#####---+
NC? | | | GND
+---+---+
NC? | | | 52 / P5.5/UCB1CLK/UCA1STE (w/ pull-up)
+---+---+
68 / P9.0/UCB2STE/UCA2CLK (w/ p-u) | | | 70 / P9.2/UCB2SOMI/UCB2SCL (w/ pull-up)
+---+---+
NC? | | | 71 / P9.3/UCB2CLK/UCA2STE
+---+---+
NC? | | | 72 / P9.4/UCA2TXD/UCA2SIMO , 69 / P9.1/UCB2SIMO/UCB2SDA
+---+---+
GND | | | Vcc
#####---+
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turbokinetic Junior 2

Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 23
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Posted: 19/07/2018 20:14 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply! I appreciate the time to study the pinout of this device. Our company ended up having to eat the cost of the cable so that I could program the Quint UPS. I don't have it with me at this time, for any measurements, however.
One thing I can say, the cable is very small and compact, and doesn't appear to have any active electronics in it (such as a protocol converter or isolator of any sort).
Sincerely,
David
| palbub wrote: | this is bugging me too...
as an industrial vendor, i don't see how phoenix atingere is trying to establish a proprietary interface and not even publishing the pinout,
while selling the cables and memmory devices at premium prices.
my guess is that there are two interfaces on the port:
uart for serial communication,
i2c for the memory sticks (connecting an i2c eeprom = cheapest method).
i opened my QUINT-UPS/24/10 and did some tracing.
the port has:
gnd, vcc (+5 or +3,3 did not measure)
five data lines, these go DIRECTLY to the microcontroller, no protection of any kind, somewhat strange for an industrial device.
rest seems N/C
three of the data-lines have pull-up resistors, i guess those are the inputs.
the controller is an MSP430 variant, i haven't worked with those before.
maybe somebody familiar with MSP420 can guess the pinout from the connections.
otherwise one would need to examine an autentic cable and memory-stick,
but i'm not paying 40eur for either.
| Code: | looking at socket from top
#####
#####---+
NC? | | | GND
+---+---+
NC? | | | 52 / P5.5/UCB1CLK/UCA1STE (w/ pull-up)
+---+---+
68 / P9.0/UCB2STE/UCA2CLK (w/ p-u) | | | 70 / P9.2/UCB2SOMI/UCB2SCL (w/ pull-up)
+---+---+
NC? | | | 71 / P9.3/UCB2CLK/UCA2STE
+---+---+
NC? | | | 72 / P9.4/UCA2TXD/UCA2SIMO , 69 / P9.1/UCB2SIMO/UCB2SDA
+---+---+
GND | | | Vcc
#####---+
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palbub Junior

Joined: 19 Jul 2018 Posts: 2
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Posted: 25/07/2018 09:49 Post subject: |
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One thing I can say, the cable is very small and compact, and doesn't appear to have any active electronics in it (such as a protocol converter or isolator of any sort).
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don't be fooled there, an usb uart interface is small enough to fit into the plug at either end of the cable.
consider that phoenix also sell an rs232 cable:
IFS-USB-DATACABLE https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2320500
IFS-RS232-DATACABLE https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2320490
IFS-OPEN-END-DATACABLE https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2320450
even if there might be a microcontroller with usb, none will support rs232 directly. |
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pail Junior

Joined: 19 Oct 2019 Posts: 1
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Posted: 19/10/2019 21:33 Post subject: |
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[url=http://www.99poze.ro/p/20fe2a120ca77dbf612608ce8a914108.jpg] [/url]
Actual pinout for data cable.
Connector - IDC1.27-12 or equivalent (Harwin M50-3800642, Mill-max 852-10-012-10-003000).
Can be used with any TTL to RS232/RS485 converter, USB to TTL Serial converter or TTL to ethernet converter.
Can be converted to Modbus-TCP device if used with USR-TCP232-E2.
Modbus registers see https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Phoenix%20Contact%20PDFs/2320461_Ds.pdf |
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