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PostPosted: 26/01/2015 06:17    Post subject: ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard Reply with quote

Dear All,.
I has some problem with connect ABB ACS 850-04-240 Driver with compressor controller using RS485 communication. I use terminal XD2D on board for connect with controller. and the VFD ABB will running with data transfer from controller.
Could you please send me the diagram and setting on ABB ACS850 VFD ?or guide me to fix this problem.
Many thanks. :thankyou:
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PostPosted: 26/01/2015 19:55    Post subject: Re: ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard Reply with quote

cuongvcs wrote:
Dear All,.
I has some problem with connect ABB ACS 850-04-240 Driver with compressor controller using RS485 communication. I use terminal XD2D on board for connect with controller. and the VFD ABB will running with data transfer from controller.
Could you please send me the diagram and setting on ABB ACS850 VFD ?or guide me to fix this problem.
Many thanks. :thankyou:

This a link to all manuals:
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/22a302fd2f0a02f4c12576700045fd33/$file/Link_List_ACS850-04.html
Hardware Manual depend on what type:
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/2c68c282cc612261c1257b200049b870/$file/EN_ACS850-04_A-D_HW_F_screen.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/0be9bbab29e380b5c1257b88001f7002/$file/EN_ACS850_E0_E_HW_C_screen.pdf
ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard Re: ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard
This is Firmware guide you have all the data for how to with RS485..
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/cc976018da34d40dc1257c7600303aa3/$file/EN_ACS850_FW_%20I_A5.pdf
and other manuals
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/93c8b26468d2f823c1257650003f4bd5/$file/Products_for_compressor_applications_low_res_02102009.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/e47b360989cb84dec12579bb003f5e73/$file/ACS800_pump_ctrl_appl_prg_FWmanual_REV_D_commenting_enabled.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot231.nsf/veritydisplay/e0a827815535ac00c12579d7003ac394/$file/Module_cart_Working%20instructions_rev%20E_2.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/51d4193e27076bf0c1257b6000364f38/$file/R_Series_fieldbus_adapter_modules_flyer_EN_3AUA0000082387_RevA.pdf
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PostPosted: 28/01/2015 04:20    Post subject: Re: ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard Reply with quote

qualco wrote:
cuongvcs wrote:
Dear All,.
I has some problem with connect ABB ACS 850-04-240 Driver with compressor controller using RS485 communication. I use terminal XD2D on board for connect with controller. and the VFD ABB will running with data transfer from controller.
Could you please send me the diagram and setting on ABB ACS850 VFD ?or guide me to fix this problem.
Many thanks. :thankyou:

This a link to all manuals:
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/22a302fd2f0a02f4c12576700045fd33/$file/Link_List_ACS850-04.html
Hardware Manual depend on what type:
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/2c68c282cc612261c1257b200049b870/$file/EN_ACS850-04_A-D_HW_F_screen.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/0be9bbab29e380b5c1257b88001f7002/$file/EN_ACS850_E0_E_HW_C_screen.pdf
ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard Re: ABB ACS850 connect with other Devices via RS485 Onboard
This is Firmware guide you have all the data for how to with RS485..
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/cc976018da34d40dc1257c7600303aa3/$file/EN_ACS850_FW_%20I_A5.pdf
and other manuals
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/93c8b26468d2f823c1257650003f4bd5/$file/Products_for_compressor_applications_low_res_02102009.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/e47b360989cb84dec12579bb003f5e73/$file/ACS800_pump_ctrl_appl_prg_FWmanual_REV_D_commenting_enabled.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot231.nsf/veritydisplay/e0a827815535ac00c12579d7003ac394/$file/Module_cart_Working%20instructions_rev%20E_2.pdf
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/51d4193e27076bf0c1257b6000364f38/$file/R_Series_fieldbus_adapter_modules_flyer_EN_3AUA0000082387_RevA.pdf

Dear Qualco,
Could you please show me more ?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: 28/01/2015 19:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to decide the way you want to control
1. With embedded interface
2. External Adapter

1. With embedded interface
If XD2D is the connection point for a drive-to-drive link, a daisy-chained RS-485 transmission line with one master and numeroase slaves.
Note: If the XD2D connector is used for the embedded fieldbus interface (parameter 58.01 Protocol ena sel is set to Modbus RTU), the drive-to-drive link operation (parameter group 57) is automatically disabled.

From now on read at page 330 Setting up the embedded fieldbus interface
The new settings will take effect when the drive is powered up the next time, or when parameter 58.10 Refresh settings is activated.
At page 332 put Setting the drive control parameters accordingly.

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Use a communication profile according these rules.
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2. External Adapter
The drive can be connected to an external control system through a serial
communication link using either an embedded fieldbus interface (as explained above) or a fieldbus adapter.
The fieldbus adapter module is installed into drive Slot 3.
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As you see you have to choose what adapter you need most appropriate to PLC you are used for control.
PROFIBUS DP (FPBA-xx adapter)
CANopen (FCAN-xx adapter)
DeviceNet (FDNA-xx adapter)
LONWORKS® (FLON-xx adapter).

Before configuring the drive for fieldbus control, the adapter module must be mechanically and electrically installed according to the instructions given in the User’s Manual of the appropriate fieldbus adapter module
The communication between the drive and the fieldbus adapter module is activated by setting parameter 50.01 Fba enable to Enable. The adapter-specific parameters must also be set. See the table at pag.357.

So you must follow step by step the instructions from manuals.
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PostPosted: 29/01/2015 09:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Qualco.
thanks you for your info,
our device is controller of Atlascopco compressor comnunication with VFD Micromaster 440- it fault and i replacement by new ABB ACS 850-04-260 dreiver,
it communication with old driver via com 2 ( RS485), so we can connect it with ABB drive ove RS485 ?
Pls help me solve this issue.
Many thanks,
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PostPosted: 30/01/2015 03:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Qualco.
it is very difficult with for me, i only install and commissioning not buy this ABB drive.
you have any new idea for this,
Many thank.
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PostPosted: 02/02/2015 22:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear cuongvcs,
I saw you are in trouble with this problem.
I do not know if I could help you but what type of controller is on that compressor?
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PostPosted: 03/02/2015 04:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

mojo wrote:
Dear cuongvcs,
I saw you are in trouble with this problem.
I do not know if I could help you but what type of controller is on that compressor?

Dear Mojo,
Thanks for your info, we got trouble with Elektronikon II controller connect with ABB ACS850 via RS485 .
you have manual of compressor GA90VSD compressor Atlas Copco ? If have, could you please send it for me ?
Many thanks.
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cuongvcs wrote:
mojo wrote:
Dear cuongvcs,
I saw you are in trouble with this problem.
I do not know if I could help you but what type of controller is on that compressor?

Dear Mojo,
Thanks for your info, we got trouble with Elektronikon II controller connect with ABB ACS850 via RS485 .
you have manual of compressor GA90VSD compressor Atlas Copco ? If have, could you please send it for me ?
Many thanks.


Dear cuongvcs,
I'm trying to help you.
I have been asking the manual from Atlascopco Romania.
I am waiting their answer.
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PostPosted: 05/02/2015 10:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

mojo wrote:
cuongvcs wrote:
mojo wrote:
Dear cuongvcs,
I saw you are in trouble with this problem.
I do not know if I could help you but what type of controller is on that compressor?

Dear Mojo,
Thanks for your info, we got trouble with Elektronikon II controller connect with ABB ACS850 via RS485 .
you have manual of compressor GA90VSD compressor Atlas Copco ? If have, could you please send it for me ?
Many thanks.


Dear cuongvcs,
I'm trying to help you.
I have been asking the manual from Atlascopco Romania.
I am waiting their answer.

Dear Mojo,
thanks for your help, I'm waiting support from you.
Regards.
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PostPosted: 10/02/2015 21:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear cuongvcs,
I'm talking with guys from Atlascopco but the problem is a little difficult.
They have only two electrical engineers in country but talking with one of them he told me they only replace blocks just in case (ready to mount blocks including controller). They have the Service Manual for the entire product not Manual for controller. I ask him to search this manual but probably will take some time.
So I am very sorry about that but just now I have not another option.
Sorry.......have to wait....
All the best
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PostPosted: 10/02/2015 22:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

cuongvcs,
Let me know if you know exactly that Micromaster is defective or you cannot communicate with it due to a wrong setting?
If you cannot communicate then try to check eventually the parameter set for MM440? Can you check this:
P700=2
P1000=5
P0731=52.3
P0719.1=11
Did you check that you have put the termination resistance at the end of the line only.
If MM440 it is completely defective then translation of the USS protocol can be done only with a gateway...I do not see other solution.
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PostPosted: 10/02/2015 22:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

cuongvcs,
you have branch of Atlascopco in Vietnam.
http://www.atlascopco.vn/vnus/contactus/
Why don't you try a call?
Or eventually contact adfeb for a gateway.
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/CAN_PROFIBUS.asp?language=ENG
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/Can_modbus.asp?language=ENG
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/CAN_BUS_analyzers.asp?language=ENG
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PostPosted: 11/02/2015 03:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

mojo wrote:
Dear cuongvcs,
I'm talking with guys from Atlascopco but the problem is a little difficult.
They have only two electrical engineers in country but talking with one of them he told me they only replace blocks just in case (ready to mount blocks including controller). They have the Service Manual for the entire product not Manual for controller. I ask him to search this manual but probably will take some time.
So I am very sorry about that but just now I have not another option.
Sorry.......have to wait....
All the best

Dear Mojo,
Thank for your help, I think so.
it very difficult,
Regards.
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PostPosted: 11/02/2015 03:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

qualco wrote:
cuongvcs,
Let me know if you know exactly that Micromaster is defective or you cannot communicate with it due to a wrong setting?
If you cannot communicate then try to check eventually the parameter set for MM440? Can you check this:
P700=2
P1000=5
P0731=52.3
P0719.1=11
Did you check that you have put the termination resistance at the end of the line only.
If MM440 it is completely defective then translation of the USS protocol can be done only with a gateway...I do not see other solution.

Dear Qualco,
Thanks for your info, I will check MM440 parameter.I see on the same drive (MM440) of compressor #2 , it not use resistance, only connect cable from 485 port oc controller to teminal 29,30 and 2 of MM440.
Regards.
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PostPosted: 11/02/2015 03:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

qualco wrote:
cuongvcs,
you have branch of Atlascopco in Vietnam.
http://www.atlascopco.vn/vnus/contactus/
Why don't you try a call?
Or eventually contact adfeb for a gateway.
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/CAN_PROFIBUS.asp?language=ENG
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/Can_modbus.asp?language=ENG
http://www.adfweb.com/home/products/CAN_BUS_analyzers.asp?language=ENG

Dear qualco,
thanks for support, I has atingere but not respond.
Regards.
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PostPosted: 31/03/2016 17:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear cuongvcs

I have a troubles in my atlas copco compresor, i replace MM440 i made a full back up but now electronikon shows "Conv.FormatFail 52". This is an configuration problem, could you send me a back up from yours compresors?
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